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STEVE: FACEBOOK UNDER FIRE AFTER

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YEARS OF PRIVACY AND CONTENT

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SCANDALS, CALLS NOW MOUNTING TO

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BREAK UP THE SOCIAL MEDIA GIANT.

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CHRIS HUGHES, ONE OF FACEBOOK'S

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COFOUNDERS WRITING AN OP-ED

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SAYING BREAKING UP THE SOCIAL

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MEDIA GIANT IS THE ONLY WAY TO

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HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.

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HERE TO GO REACT, ONE OF

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FACEBOOK'S EARLY INVESTORS ROGER

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McTHAT ME.

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AUTHOR OF A NEW BOOK, "ZUCK,

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WAKING UP TO THE FACEBOOK

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CATASTROPHE ♪

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>> WHAT IS THE FACEBOOK

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DISDISASTER.

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>> CHRIS HUGHES TALKING ABOUT

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MARK ZUCKERBERG AND FACEBOOK

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HAVE TOO MUCH POWER IN OUR

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LIVES.

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THEY'RE THE NOT ELECTED.

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THEY'RE NOT ACCOUNTABLE.

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THEY HAVE ALLOWED THE SYSTEM

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THAT MAKES THE SO MUCH FUN, SO

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INTERESTING TO PLAY WITH BECOME

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A TOOL FOR BAD ACTORS TO HARM

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INNOCENT PEOPLE.

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THEY HAVE LOST CONTROL OF IT.

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WE NEED TO HAVE MAJOR

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INTERVENTION TO PROTECT PEOPLE.

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STEVE: WHAT STARTED OUT AS

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HARVARD A WAY TO IDENTIFY PEOPLE

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IN YOUR UPCOMING CLASS, THIS

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MORPHED INTO SOMETHING THAT

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BILLIONS OF PEOPLE AROUND THE

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WORLD USE.

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HOW IS IT DANGEROUS?

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>> THE ISSUES IS THAT THERE IS A

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COUPLE ASPECTS OF THE PROBLEM.

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THE BUSINESS MODEL IS REALLY

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ABOUT GRABBING OUR ATTENTION.

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THE FIRST THING THEY WANT TO GET

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YOU TO BUILD A HABIT, FOR MANY

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OF THE US THE HABIT TIPS OVER

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INTO ADDICTION, BEHAVIORAL

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ADDICTION.

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I SAY WHEN DO YOU CHECK YOUR

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PHONE, FIRST THING IN THE

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MORNING, WHILE YOU PEE OR OR

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BEFORE YOU PEE?

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THAT WAY THEY KEEP YOUR

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ATTENTION.

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THEY PROMOTED STUFF THAT IS MOST

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COMPELLING TO US.

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SADLY THAT TURNS OUT TOING HATE

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SPEECH, DISINFORMATION AND

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CONSPIRACY THEORIES WHICH CAUSE

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A LOT OF ANGUISH.

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STEVE: WE'RE KIND OF SHORT ON

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TIME.

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CHRIS HUGHES IS SAYING THEY HAVE

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TO ESSENTIALLY CHANGE FACEBOOK

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THE WAY IT IS NOW.

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WHAT DO YOU THINK SHOULD HAPPEN?

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>> I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT

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THING YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE

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BUSINESS MODEL OF FACEBOOK,

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GOOGLE, NOW INCREASINGLY AMAZON,

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MICROSOFT, GET THEM OUT OF

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BUSINESS OF SPYING ON US,

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COLLECTING ALL OF OUR PERSONAL

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DATA.

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USING IT FOR THEIR PROFIT

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AGAINST OUR INTERESTS.

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I THINK THAT WILL BE HARD.

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SOME THINGS LIKE SCANNING OF

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EMAILS ARE EASY TO BAN AND

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SHOULD BE DONE IMMEDIATELY.

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THE REST WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO